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  • Headshot (small)  Geoff Surratt lives in Denver, Colorado with his wife Sherry. Sherry is the CEO of MOPS International. Geoff and Sherry have two awesome kids (Mike and Brittainy), a wonderful daughter-in-law (Hilary) and the most beautiful grand daughter on earth (Maggie Claire) Geoff has served on staff at Seacoast Church and Saddleback Church. He is now a freelance Church Catalyst and Encourager.

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joshhunt

Are you saying we should just let a church die? Not fight to keep it alive?

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Mike Andrews

Josh, I can't speak for Geoff, but could it be that congregations reach a point where they're no longer really alive and the only path to resurrection & new life is the 'death' of that congregation? Of course, as the post asserts, "In a way, Kodak will never really die." And neither will the church.

What if we intentionally planned 'expiration dates' (if not for a congregation at least for our standard procedures/practices)? Could that help us make disciples with a more healthy sense of urgency instead of expending all our energies to maintain the status quo?

Geoff Surratt

Great comments Mike, I agree completely.

In a way that is what I am saying Josh. Not that we give up early or easily, but I see a lot of Kingdom resources expended keeping churches on life support that could be better invested in new expressions of church. I have seen friends like Mark Jobe in Chicago birth new congregations in old buildings where churches have decided to end their struggle and give way to new life.

Even more I would love to see churches turn their attention very early on to figuring how they can invest in young leaders that will outlive the effective ministry of their own church. Rather than new marketing campaigns and more expensive equipment, what if churches sewed the money into new church plants? What would be the Kingdom impact?

Nathaniel

"The interesting thing is that every church eventually stops growing, if not then we would see churches with millions of members that are hundreds of years old. And if its God's will that churches should grow forever then every church Paul planted was out of God's will because none of them are around today. " isn't quite right.

While there are many churches that come and go since the reformation, there are still two churches that have existed, one for over 1000 years (Catholic), the second for about 2000 (Orthodox). Each has millions of members.

David Bartosik

yeah, because those are two examples of people with vibrant passionate faith....I shouldn't generalize but I was just in greece and I stood in awe of some pretty incredible building but it was a hollow shell with icons and empty chairs. There were more tourists than worshipers. I live in eastern Europe where I see converted churches to mosques. My intent isn't to slam the orthodox church, but to validate the point of a church planting strategy of being ready to continually send out young leaders and keep the church fresh rather than like geoff said spending all our resources on the marketing and equipment today. There is a balance it seems, but the big idea makes sense to me and does so because it is rooted in church planting.

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