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  • Headshot (small)  Geoff Surratt lives in Denver, Colorado with his wife Sherry. Sherry is the CEO of MOPS International. Geoff and Sherry have two awesome kids (Mike and Brittainy), a wonderful daughter-in-law (Hilary) and the most beautiful grand daughter on earth (Maggie Claire) Geoff has served on staff at Seacoast Church and Saddleback Church. He is now a freelance Church Catalyst and Encourager.

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Mike Mahoney

Interesting thoughts, and I don't disagree, entirely. But, as the church grows, the number of small groups grow, the number of leaders grow - then the "coach" can't be in all places at all times.

The Jethro principle has to apply here at some point: Moses could not possibly be involved in the minutiae of everyone's life, which is why he needed trustworthy leaders.

Paul operated under this model as well. He trained leaders in each of he churches he founded, so that he could have the greatest reach.

I guess there needs to be a balance. The pastor needs to have trustworthy leaders to run the small groups semi-autonamously (what's the point of raising leaders if you don't let them lead) but the entire "team" can't be so big he loses touch with the individual players. Thus comes my indictment of "megachurches," but that's another story. :)

Sam O'Neal

Using the analogy of a football game, wouldn't the group leader be more like the football coach? The group leader is involved in the game every week, working with his/her "team" and leading their advance.

I would think of the small-group coach more as the Athletic Director -- someone who equips group leaders with what they need, keeps them on target, and helps them work through any major issues.

I'm confused about how a coach could be deeply involved in several groups at the same time. And if that were to happen, what would be separating the coach from the group leader?

I look forward to your post tomorrow, Geoff, so I can see what you're working toward!

Knucklehead McWhorter

Geoff aka Dennis Miller:

Quick comment from a Seacoaster who grew up Catholic, and had no small group...

I think the idea of a personal group located in your community (for me, Daniel Island) that gets together in any capacity in connection with the Church is essential and magical. I wouldn't care if we did underwater basketweaving as long as we did it together in some way celebrating Christ.

I hope you're not suggesting that small groups are a 'bad thing'. Can you clarify a bit more?

Geoff Surratt

Mike: I think a coaching system is essential small groups; I'm just not sure we've found one yet. If a pastor is doing all the coaching we have a major challenge.

Sam: Athletic Director is a great analogy for small group coach. Wish I had thought of that. But I don't think an AD can provide the kind of leadership, direction and support a head coach can because he is not involved with the team. I think the AD would be more linked to a small group director who oversees several coaches. We'll see after the dust settles tomorrow.

Knucklehead: (Your label, not mine) I think small groups are essential. If you take a look at Part 1 of this series I wouldn't trade my small group for anything. I just think we need to rethink how we do groups, not get rid of them.

Knucklehead McWhorter

Gotcha. Thanks Pastor Geoff!

Scott Marshall

At the risk of being all that and a bag of chips (what DOES that mean, btw?)...and hope I'm not letting the cat ("meow") out of the bag, but I think I can see the set-up for a description of missional communities coming like a freight train. "Coach" leads the community on mission and huddles the small group leaders in that missional community in real time. Mike and Steve are brilliant. You've just given me a way to tie what I was doing (small groups) with what I'm attempting to do. I thought I was dismantling something and building something new, but you've just given me a bridge to walk across. Brilliant...and thank you (even if that's not where you are going).

will

Minutiae is my 18th century word of the day. Score!

Ps. Roy Harris

This is so liberating. I have been balancing my church on the one hand and a mental health org on the other for the last 20 year. I concluded that small groups which do not have a mission to impact the COMMUNITY was not adding to the growth of the Kingdom, and changed the name to IMPACT GROUPS. You join the group where you feel you can use your gift and fulfil your purpose, and have some fun while doing it too, that’s it! Ps. Roy Harris, Rhema Cape Town North Church. Twitter: RoyHarrisPastor

Matias72

I like the comparison to Christ and the disciples in Part2. I completely agree with that as a model. Christ did institute a small group... and funny that His small group only had 12 people. Christ was the coach and group leader, and as his small group developed there were others; in Luke 10:1 it describes Christ sending out around 70 different people (coaches? or leaders?) in pairs to every town in the surrounding area.
I agree that the inward focus on small groups has helped to lessen the effectiveness of these groups. I think the Pastoral staff have to continue to guide the direction of these groups, but allow them to grow and stretch into the parts of the community that they can be most effective in. Christ did not tell the seventy to stick together and make sure that they took care of themselves, but to take care of the needs of people outside of the group... Affecting change in the lives of people out side of the group to lead them into finding their place in the group, through faith.
Christ gave them freedom, but with direction.

Geoff Surratt

Scott: It sounds like you may be the guy to write tomorrows post. But dont tell anyone though because I want it to sound like my idea ;)

Geoff Surratt

That is awesome. Id love to hear more about how this is playing out in South Africa.

Geoff Surratt

I love this, interesting insight.

Mike Mahoney

Geoff - re: your coaching comment: I guess it depends on how your groups are structured. For example, ours are generally homgenoeous: divided by gender for adults and college age youth, divided by age for high school and kids.

Our (cell) group leaders get together several times a month under their individual pastors. All the pastors get together montly with the senior pastor. These meetings have both coaching and business/planning elements to them.

Not perfect (yet) but working pretty good.

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